Clarion 12 – Upcoming Release in 2024 posted in Clarion Sharp Blog

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I changed the title and added the release is slated to be in 2024 as noted at the end of the post:

The release will be available before year-end, with updated documentation.


Bob Z has started posting in the new Clarion AI Skype Group. This is one:

Following up on the Clarion 12 announcement, I want to emphasize that both SoftVelocity and I are fully committed to bringing practical AI capabilities to your development toolkit. We’re taking a two-pronged approach:

First, immediate developer productivity gains through AI-powered IDE features that actually understand your existing codebase. No complex setups - just straight-up useful analysis and recommendations specific to your business domain.

Second, we’re building the foundations for you to easily integrate AI into your own applications. Think semantic search and vector database integration that works alongside your existing SQL databases. The key here is you won’t need to be an ML expert - we’re focusing on templates and frameworks that just work.

I’m especially interested/excited about the vector database capabilities we’re introducing. This isn’t just trendy tech - it’s about giving your applications the ability to understand and work with unstructured data in ways that were impractical before.

If any of you want to discuss specific AI integration scenarios for your applications, I’m here to help map out practical approaches that won’t require rebuilding everything from scratch.

Let me know your thoughts on where you see AI fitting into your development plans. What specific capabilities would deliver the most value for your applications? Let’s discuss it

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I’d much rather he knocked off the AI hype and gave us unicode support and a 64bit compiler.

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As mentioned in the blog Unicode support is in this version. 64 bit is slated for a future release.

When it comes to prioritizing features i know from my own experience that you can’t please everyone all the time.

Personally id like 64 bit too, but equally I’m happy to be introduced to features i haven’t imagined yet.

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I’m glad to finally see a post on C12 so that us Clarion users in the field finally know the status of the upcoming release. The addition of AI is great, but I’d also like to see 64bit too.

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One step at a time. We’re getting unicode. And you can’t have 64bit without unicode!

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Compared to other IDEs, Clarion looks like somebody’s hobby project. When there is a release of the ARM64 Windows, we are still talking about possible future compiler update to x64. That Windows version was released almost 20 years ago…

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I remember before, you have the option to compile your applications to output 16 or 32 bit executable programs. 64bit, hopefully we’re getting closer.

Closer, but that’s not a gosl of this build.

I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords.

Maybe it will be able to determine why, on occassion, I will suddenly get JOIN errors in various procedures that I haven’t even touched, forcing me to reload a backup and lose hours of work :roll_eyes:

Or at the very least provide multiple comprehensive undo levels. Now there’s a great idea!

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Going to be very interesting. Wonder if and when some GUI features will be added… seems a very long list of feature on the blog.

String technology update is going to be a major interest. Back in the early days of clarion technical papers were regularly published and you could subscribe to them. They provided much needed c examples for accessing features for external integration to other products.

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When do we update our subscriptions? It’s been a while ( lolz )
Will we get an email when Clarion12 is released?

I cant access the blog, it just times out.

This is why I spent 4 years building and falling at the last hurdle, an appgen template builder.

Along the way, Ive also realised the appgen can be improved massively if its going to produce code for other hardware and OSes and frameworks.

Just look at the myriad of different monitor setups with ultrawides and multi monitor setups, tablets and smartphones…

I used to think that, but its just another way to offload our own critical thinking, follow the herd and get hassled by religious types (salvation army) who call it a false god!

hehe, I was sarcastically paraphrasing Kent Brockman from The Simpsons

Insect overlords

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Managed to get on the blog post and read it.

Templates and frameworks for easy AI integration into your applications

Looks like I dont need to finish the template builder, thats 4yrs wasted.

Is SV linked to facebook in anyway?

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Yep, but as you would expect they’re not real active.

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We can expect C12 in next few days, yes?

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what is the trick to get CG-4 to put () around return statements when generating clarion code…gave it 6 examples … nope… then ask it to explain why it not up to the task… well it wrote pages on the problems its having doing it’s day and night job… talk about complaints. basically, it says it not set up for remembering anything you upload… and of course you cant adjust its variance models… basically, unless it something in its base knowledge models it performance just variable …